350 Tbi Stall After Driving and Coming to a Stop and Taking Off Again

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Hi fellas,

When I bought my '87 Suburban V20 (350TBI/TH400/NP205) a few years ago, afterwards long drives (an hour or so) on the highway it would idle really low afterwards coming to a stop. Probably effectually 400 or 500rpm. If I didn't exercise annihilation, it would usually keep running, but just barely until I started moving once more. If I came to a stop and then went in to reverse, it would ordinarily die right when reverse engaged. It restarts fairly chop-chop after dying, then the idle is high until I've been driving again. Nearly 1,200rpm

Every bit of the past month or and so, this has gotten a bit worse and at present there is a new symptom likewise. Now if I'm barely pressing the trottle (imagine how much you press the throttle when looking for a parking spot at the grocery store, or just through your neighborhood when coming home, just enough to keep the truck moving) it volition misfire randomly on all cylinders. If I let upward off of the throttle, it clears up. If I give it more throttle, it hesitates momentarily and then picks up and goes merely fine. It only does that in that one spot in the throttle range. Engine speed or load don't seem to affect information technology.

I've also noticed that at present sometimes it will randomly have a higher than usual idle (nigh 1,100 to one,200rpm) regardless of what's been going on.

Things I've changed since buying this truck are, transmission, air filter, spark plugs, lower radiator hose, battery, starter, I removed the Ac pump as it wasn't working, and I got rid of the factory Y-pipe and put in a dual pipage setup I establish in a junkyard Suburban. Besides what I believe would've been the smog pump or air pump (not sure what it'southward called) was removed past the PO at some point considering the bracket for it is but empty. There was some tubing that I call up used to connect to the smog pump that runs above the exhaust manifolds on either side and I removed information technology from the rider side considering information technology was blocking the spark plugs and was pissing me off. I cut it out of at that place.

Some things of note: This truck has started burning a lot of oil (probably about a quart a week with quite a bit of operation) and there's noticeable blue fume at idle. There's a pretty hefty exhaust leak at the collectors on both sides because I had to drill the studs out and I replaced them with some form 8 hardware to become me by for now but they've loosened up a fleck and I haven't been under there to tighten them up as of late. I had the truck up at a very loftier pinnacle and was running it in 4L in beginning gear to get through some sketchy terrain and the Service Engine Presently light came on while the rpms were high upwardly during engine braking coming down the hill. As soon as information technology returned to idle, the low-cal went out. This happened twice that day under the same weather condition.

I found a few small-scale vacuum leaks and plugged them up. I can't seem to find or hear whatsoever other leaks.

My question is, what would be causing it to miss and run weird just in that position on the throttle? Information technology's very irritating when I have to go along feathering the gas to go on information technology running in the parking lot all the time. I plan to rebuild or replace this engine within the next few years but I demand this to work as a daily driver for the foreseeable time to come and want to proceed information technology as happy as I can.

Thanks!

1987 Chevrolet Suburban V20 Silverado
350ci TBI TH400 NP208


There are 2 things I would investigate.#1 throttle position sensor and #2 would be the idle air control valve they do cabin up and non operate properly as for the oil burning information technology sounds like possibly valve seals. I hope this helps.


Is this on your 1987 V20 w/five.7K engine?  Get-go, bank check the ECM for trouble codes and tape them.  Bank check the fuel filter and measure fuel pressure level using a suitable approximate.  Remove and inspect the spark plugs, keeping them in order by cylinder.  Post pics of the plugs if you lot can.  Bank check the torque on the intake manifold bolts using the factory torque sequence found in the service manual .  How many miles are on the engine?  Drop some oil from the dipstick onto a clean bare fingertip - does the oil maintain a tight circle or does information technology quickly rail out along the finger ridges?  With the engine off, open the throttle about near 25% and wiggle the throttle shaft side-to-side.  Is in that location more than ~0.010" of side play between the shaft and its bore?  With the engine running, spray some B12 carburetor cleaner around the base of operations of the throttle body.  Is there whatsoever change in engine speed?  Check the torque on the throttle body-to-manifold bolts.  Temporarily unplug the vacuum hose from the EGR valve and bulldoze the vehicle around.  (If the Check Engine warning illuminates with the EGR disconnected, condone it for the time existence.  In addition, the engine may ping nether load with the EGR disconnected).  Are there any changes in symptoms?

Rich
It'south difficult to know just how much you don't know until you know information technology.
In other words... if people learn by making mistakes, by at present I should know just about everything!!!
87 R10 Silverado Fleetside 355 MPFI 700R4 three.42 Locker (aka Rusty, aka Mater)


Yep, this is regarding the '87 V20 with a 350 tbi. Volition the ECM even so shop codes fifty-fifty if the light is no longer lit?

1987 Chevrolet Suburban V20 Silverado
350ci TBI TH400 NP208


As long as bombardment power to the ECM has not been interrupted (the battery has not been disconnected and the ECM B fuse has internet been removed), a diagnostic trouble code will remain in retentiveness for 50 consecutive ignition cycles following the virtually recent setting of that particular code.  If the problem that triggered the lawmaking does not recur within 50 ignition cycles, the trouble lawmaking will be erased from ECM memory, automatically.

Rich
It's difficult to know just how much yous don't know until you know information technology.
In other words... if people acquire by making mistakes, by now I should know just near everything!!!
87 R10 Silverado Fleetside 355 MPFI 700R4 3.42 Locker (aka Rusty, aka Mater)


+1 on the Throttle Position Sensor.  Since your issue sounds not vehicle-speed or engine-speed but throttle-position related, that'southward the tree I would bawl up outset.

I'm also with dwightr on looking at the IAC next if that doesn't ready it.


Oh ok. The code is probably lost. The bombardment terminal was loose last calendar week and it wouldn't start until I tightened it. I'll try the troubleshooting suggestions listed here asap and report back with my findings. Thanks, guys.

1987 Chevrolet Suburban V20 Silverado
350ci TBI TH400 NP208


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I accept had like issues on different engines, one of them being stock and 1 of them being built.  I remember I take narrowed it downward to a tuning related problem as when using either of my "hot" fries this problem went away.

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        Ok. Deplorable it took 6 months to update this, BD.

        There are no ECM problem codes

        I don't have a fuel pressure tester correct now so I haven't checked that.

        I had removed all the spark plugs and had them in social club. However they got jumbled upwards during my exhaust project. Here's a picture of some of them. They all looked the same. They all have a burnt looking spot on them.

        The intake manifold bolts are tight

        The odometer is showing 83,xxx. Not sure if that 183,000 or 283,000

        When I dropped some oil on my finger, information technology maintained a tight circle and did non run out to the edges.

        As yous can meet in the video, it seems like there's quite a bit of side-play in the throttle.

        No modify in engine speed was detected when spraying carb cleaner around the edges of the TB.

        The bolts connecting the TB to the intake manifold were surprisingly loose. I tightened them downward.

        I haven't tried driving with the EGR unplugged yet. Yet, I did unplug it while it was idling and I didn't notice any change.

        I did detect when I agree the throttle open in the problem position while watching the injectors, it nigh sounds as though they stop spraying evenly. Information technology virtually sounds similar there was air coming through intermittently. That could but be me though...

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« Last Edit: March 12, 2018, 06:02:xxx PM by Jon87V20 »

1987 Chevrolet Suburban V20 Silverado
350ci TBI TH400 NP208


You still need to verify fuel pressure.  Do non fail this stride every bit it is central to TBI function.  You need to route cheque with EGR disabled too.

Wiggling the throttle shaft from stop-to-end (i.eastward., the linked video) is checking centric play.  Because of the circular shape of the throttle plate and the pocket-sized cavities created by the throttle shaft bore, you volition always find some corporeality of axial play in the shaft with the throttle open.  That is, some play is normal increasing with throttle opening.  Only, excessive axial play will result if the throttle plates are edge worn.  In addition, in that location tin can occur excessive radial play in the throttle shaft if the throttle shaft bore is worn.

Referring to the image, the left illustration exemplifies zero vesture and is optimum.

In contrast, the correct analogy shows causes for both axial and radial play.

With the engine off, expect downwardly the throttle bores using a bright flashlight and inspect around the edges of the throttle plates with the throttle open up ~5� while wiggling the throttle, initially side-to-side (front-to-rear as illustrated at the right margin of the prototype) and and so cease-to-cease (as you lot did in the video).

Excess "centric play" is caused by throttle plate wear at contrary sides of the throttle plate where the plate intersects the throttle shaft.  The throttle plate is worn noticeably narrower resulting in visible gaps between the plate and its bore in the area of the throttle shaft with the throttle almost closed.  This allows the shaft to move excessively forth its axis - the plate does not remain centered in its diameter.  If you find throttle plate side wear every bit shown in the right illustration, the throttle plate is worn out and idle speed stability may endure.

Excess "radial play" is acquired by throttle shaft bore article of clothing.  Shaft bore wear will cause the "big gap" illustrated at the front and rear of the plate, between the throttle plate and its diameter equally y'all wiggle the shaft front-to-rear.  If you notice backlog radial play, the throttle shaft bore is worn out, resulting in poor idle speed control and erratic TPS base of operations aligning.

Either of the foregoing faults calls for TB overhaul or replacement.

Use a DVM and cheque TPS voltage.  Make upward a temporary three-wire jumper and so you lot can measure TPS voltage without piercing whatsoever wire insulation - a couple of Weatherpak connectors and the appropriate terminals will practise the trick.  Measure the voltage alter every bit you slowly open up and shut the throttle with the ignition on, engine off.  There should be a very consistent change in voltage with no erratic jumps.  If the voltage is erratic, replace the TPS.  You can use an ohmmeter for this test, but I do not recommend it.  An ohmmeter tin indicate a false fail of a perfectly good TPS.

In add-on, check the MAP sensor using the criteria linked past Irish_Alley.

Rich
It'due south difficult to know just how much you don't know until you know it.
In other words... if people larn by making mistakes, by at present I should know but about everything!!!
87 R10 Silverado Fleetside 355 MPFI 700R4 3.42 Locker (aka Rusty, aka Mater)


If I recall GM OBD 1 doesn't always record intermittent errors/issues. The fault has to continue for several minutes before the TC is recorded.


And so I think I may have figured out what the issue was. I went to change my cap and rotor terminal weekend and I noticed the distributor wasn't tightened down very well at all! It was able to move fairly easily.  Today I went out and set the base timing and naught and it'due south running WAY better. Information technology doesn't seem to be stumbling under light throttle anymore. I'll know for certain tomorrow considering I'm taking it to piece of work. Seems much more happy now though.

1987 Chevrolet Suburban V20 Silverado
350ci TBI TH400 NP208


This actually turned out to exist a failing ignition control module for anyone else that's looking for info on this. It started getting really bad until it was throwing a lawmaking 42. After changing the ICM, the hesitation seems to be gone!

1987 Chevrolet Suburban V20 Silverado
350ci TBI TH400 NP208



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